Tucker Carlson Gets Into Fiery Debate With Pence On Ukraine Funding


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Former Vice President Mike Pence answered a question from former Fox News host Tucker Carlson about funding Ukraine’s defense in its war with Russia and it may have ended any chance his presidential campaign had.

“You recently met with Zelensky, according to news reports. And I’m wondering if during that meeting, as a prominent Christian leader, which you are, in addition to your political views, you broached the question of his treatment of Christians within Ukraine. The Zelensky government has raided convents, arrested priests, has effectively banned a Christian denomination, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church within Ukraine, has persecuted Christians. And I wondered if you raised that with him,” the former Fox News host said.

“I did raise the issue when we were there. And I raised it with the leader of the Orthodox Church when I was visiting Kyiv. And asked him about concerns about religious liberty. He assured me that the Zelensky government in Ukraine was respecting religious liberty, even while recognizing that there were very small elements of the Russian Orthodox Church that were being utilized for the purpose of advancing the Russian cause in Ukraine, and that they were they were taking steps to hold them to account. But the leader of the church at St Michael’s in Kyiv told me personally that he believed that the Zelensky government was respecting religious liberty,” the former vice president said.


“I’m confused on this question. It’s very clear that the Zelensky government has arrested priests for having views they disagree with. That’s not consistent with religious liberty. It’s an attack on it, and we’re funding it. I don’t mean to be disrespectful at all, but I sincerely wonder how a Christian leader could support the arrest of Christians for having different views,” the host said.

“Well, what I can tell you is I asked the Christian leader in Kyiv if that was, in fact, happening, and he assured me that it was not. People were not being persecuted for their religious beliefs,” the Republican presidential candidate said.

Then Carlson went after Pence for his support for funding the war.

“I believe that it is in the interests of the United States of America to continue to give the Ukrainian military the resources they need to repel the Russian invasion and restore their sovereignty,” the former vice president said as the crowd booed.

“You are distressed that the Ukrainians don’t have enough American tanks? Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years,” the host said.

“Drive around — there’s not one city that’s gotten better in the United States and it’s visible,” he said. “Our economy has degraded, the suicide rate has jumped, public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased and yet your concern is that the Ukrainians — a country most people can’t find on the map, who’ve received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars — don’t have enough tanks? I think it’s a fair question to ask, where’s the concern for the United States in that?”


“Well that’s not my concern, Tucker,” the former vice president said. “I’ve heard that routine from you before, but that’s not my concern.”

“As president of the United States we’re going to restore law and order in our cities, we’re going to secure our border, we’re going to get this economy moving again, and we’re going to make sure that we have men and women on our courts at every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all the God given liberties enshrined in our constitution,” the former vice president said.

“Anybody that says that we can’t be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth. We can do both. And as president of the United States we will secure our border we will support our military we will revive our economy and stand by our values and we will also lead the world for freedom under my administration,” he said.

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